| Author | Message | ||
  Linda |
Ever so curious as to how y'all like the iridescent colors Daniel Smith offers - the duochromes, the entire palette was for sale at some point. Has anyone tried them? | ||
Annapet |
Kukana, thank you again for recommending Jeanne Dobie's book. Wow, a whole palette update from W&N to DS...Unfortunately, the Jeanne Dobie DS Set is no longer available. What a bargain. DS has an ongoing sale though. I know you love Quin Gold. DS is offering Quin Gold Deep right now. I haven't tried mine yet. Perhaps later tonight. Wishing everyone a wonderful Memorial Day Weekend! =) | ||
Kukana |
Annapet, i can't urge you enough to take advantage of the great lessons that book has to offer and do EACH step. At first I thought I didn't really need to start at the beginging..Thought I could skip the elementry stuf but when I actually took the workshop and did the whole exercise I couldn't believe how little I really knew. Get the colors...do the exercises. You will not regret the investment. Really! | ||
Annapet |
Hoping everybody's enjoying spring! Although I was away from my brushes and paints last weekend, I took many pictures. Future projects, maybe. So happy to come home with packages of art supplies and the Amazon shipment waiting for me in the mailbox. The Jeanne Dobie book arrived and I will put it to good use. Thank you all once again. And happy painting! | ||
Kukana |
Yeah, Robert, I agree some of them are chalky but I guess my point was that each line offers a color I like an many I do not like. I hate DS Magnenese Blue and cerulean yet other S I can't live without, Its really all abut trial and error. I love AJ thioindigo and burnt umber | ||
Robert |
I find the discussion of paints interesting so don't I'm "arguing"--I'm just inteested in this discussion. I find AJ and DaVinci to be very chalky and this affects how it handles. However, it is with limited experience that I conclude this. I tried some AJ Lemon Yellow (PY3--Hansa Light) and found it to be very chalky. Same with Da VinciUltramarine Blue, which I immediately returned to Hobby Lobby. The other brands of these colors make beautiful washes and you can brush other lemons back into darker passages for illuminated effects. The AJ just doesn't handle this way. I'm sure this is a side effect of offering a lot of paint for less money---you are getting more filler (chalkiness) and less pigment proportionately. Many of their colors consist of 2 or more pigments wheras Maimeri is almost all single pure pigment and Kordofan (the best) gum arabic with some ox gall. I can't see buying into the AJ/Da Vinci "bargain" when the Maimerblu works out per ML amost the same and it is a better paint that W/N in my experience. But that's just my take. I am not intending to say that others might not like AJ and DaVinci just fine. So long as you like AJ, that's all that matters. | ||
Kukana |
Don't give up on Cheap Joes American Journey I like them too. They are made my DaVinci Paints and are quite good.The price is awesome. A lot is trial and error. I just Just keep painting til I find one I like.Or instance...I like Holbein's Indigo. It isn't even close to the same in WN< DS, AJ, etc. O the othet hand, I love WS Scarlet Lake butnot Holbien. I live to paint with DS Quin Gold But won't touch Maimeri's Golden Lake. I can tell the difference, others can't It all about preference. | ||
Annapet |
I hope everybody's having a wonderful day. Yeah, handprint.com rocks, Robert. Thank you. I know I can't afford to try each and every paint tube/paint brand like Bruce did. So far, I don't have any fugitive paints. Painted some last night with my DS and W&N. Still push. I think my game plan is, after I've tried these gifts and narrowed down what becomes part of my palette in the making, I'll try the equivalent color Maimeri offers. Thanks for the Jeanne Dobie link. I hope someone tells us about her VIDEOS. Happy painting. | ||
Anonymous |
Jeanne Dobie's website is jeannedobie.com, just click on the palette update and it will list the Daniel Smith colors she now uses. Has anyone seen her workshop videos? I'm thinking of purchasing them. I'm very frustrated that in my area the only workshops you can attend are during the week. Alas, I work a 9 to 5 job. Sometimes one cannot self-teach watercolor, but must observe and learn from another more experienced artist. Well, I'll just keep making mistakes and learn in the process. | ||
Robert |
Hi-- A word about Holbein--some of the paints are electrifyingly brilliant (such as the ubiquitous opera). When painting in Hawaii, I purchased their scarlet lake and it turned out to be a neon flamingo pink. An outrageous color--this could be good or bad, according to use. I did some painting s with it. Checked handprint .com and Bruce warned to avoid the paint because it was fugitive. Same with Opera. Another time I bought a Holbein only to find that it's concentration was very low--quite substandard. I'm not saying they do not make good paints, but they cater to the "new paint a month crowd" and in so doing they put a lot of stuff out there that is fugitive or low intensity. Handprint says as much in its review of Holbein. Back to Maimerblu--if you've seen Zoltan Szabo's book about painting Mountains, trees and rocks--it's all done in Maimeriblu. Re. Quinacridone Gold(in Maimeriblu it is "Golden Lake") it is the key component in many companies mixed greens. For ex., Pthalo green (blue Shade--PG7--Maimeriblu Cupric Green Dark, for ex.) plus quinacridone gold creates sap green. Also, if you brush quinacridone gold back into a wet dark you get the effect of bounced sunlight. (I prefer Indian Yellow-Maimeriblu (My palette's only 2 pigment tube paint made from a mix of Permanent yellow (Benzamidzalone Yellow)deep-- plus quinacridone gold) for this effect, but I started out with quinacridone gold but it seems to my eyes more strident and less natural). Quinacridone gold seems like a very high intensity Raw sienna in hue. | ||
Annapet |
What a connection we're having! I was thinking of the Jeanne Dobie book you mentioned and her DS Palette. And did you say SPLURGE? Wow, I love that word. With Mother's Day coming and all, that might just happen. I received the DS Quinacridone Set as a gift, among other things. Soon I'll know what that GOLD can do. (Will wait for the book from Amazon to make up a list). $250 to get free-shipping, eh? I can think of many things, including the ever recommended Maimeriblu (Rainbow, Robert)and the exciting Holbein paints. Slowly I guess. I have so many tubes of paints to still try (W&N and DS, again, ALL gifts). I'm LOVING the momentum now, Jane. Will spend on paper though. I wish I could thank you all by name ladies, anonymous, and gents. I don't have paintings to post just yet, but I would like to share some news that Newsweek (Int'l Edition, Double Issue, April 19, 2004/April 26, 2004) published my Mont-St-Michel photo. Here's the link to that picture. http://www.usefilm.com/image/412046.html | ||
Kukana |
Ditto. I tried the AJ Qin gold andit not bad but not DS I love DS Q.gold and their Green Gold. Yummy What is Jeanne Dobies website? | ||
Anonymous |
I am a big fan of Jeanne Dobie too. Did you know she updated her palette with Daniel Smith's watercolors. I found that info on her web site. Since the publication of her book - Making Color Sing - I find her paintings singing with even more vibrancy and color. Maybe changing from Winsor Newton to Daniel Smith paints had something to do with it. I agree with Kukana, D.S. quin. gold is pure gold. I find myself using its magic over and over again. I also adore Pthalo Turquoise, for those deep dark greens. | ||
Kukana |
For a newbie, you can't go wrong buying Jeane Dobies book called "Making colors Sing" ( the writer in me loves that title!), Splurge, buy everything she recommends and following the book page by page and do each exersise. and for heaven sake do the exercises on good paper. You will want to keep the samples to make as a reference untill they arw solidified in your head. If you do that, you will have a superb education and basis for dicussing paint with anyone. Her book is the basis for my color mixing knowledge and I wouldn't trade it for gold!.(..except maybe DS Quin. gold!!!Ha!) Once you have a knowledge base to work from you can then venture into the paint spectrum with more than a 'doe in the headlights' look, which is what i did when I was first starting. Now I am forcing myself to learn the scienfic numbers for the paint so I can more appreciate the vast work Bruce has provided at www.handprint.com. Now that man is the King of paint. What a science this is. | ||
rainbow |
Annapet, When I began building my palette (still under construction) with artist's quality paints, my first purchase was the Rembrandt half pan travel set. I immediately saw the difference in vibrancy and pigment load over the student grades I had been using. Then I sampled the DS as I mentioned before. I really like the paint but, again, I was surprised how many they do not list as transparent. It may be their method of testing, because, I noticed a lot of their lightfastness ratings are based on their own testing forum. I presume this is because they keep developing new colors and perhaps the ASTM hasn't tested them yet. But I agree with Robert--you owe it to yourself to try Maimeriblu. As my palette develops, I find myself needing to replace Maimeriblu more quickly and the price is great. They offer 2 samplers (I got mine at CJ Trade Show last summer or watch in the Artist magazine for special offers) (a 6 and a 12 tube with no duplication). If you don't like them, email me. | ||
Annapet |
Thank you all for the recent postings =) Yes, if you scroll down, Robert shared us his palette. And Kukana did, too - - - her multiple palettes! How generous! For our friends just joining in this discussion, I am a newbie and my supplies are ALL gifts from supportive husband, family, and some artist friends. When this discussion started, I still use Schmincke. I have given that up and now testing and using W&N and DS. Nothing technical. Just preference. I'm still open to try other things. I'd love to hear more about DS paints, positive and negative. Thank you again, and happy painting! | ||
Robert |
I posted earlier in this thread my personal palette. Three are Van Gogh (Permanent rewd violet which is identical to W/N permanent Magenta...Permanent Blue Violet --one of the few absolutely lightfast violets available...and Pthalo Blue). These three are excellent. However, I think much of the other Van Gogh offerings are not as concentrated as their more expensive Rembrandt (the professional version from the same company) counterparts. The best value in watercolors is, overall, Maimeriblu. I've switched most of my palette to this brand. It is about 1/2 the price of Winsor Newton (except for cobalt blue and cerulean which is about the same as W/N) and much better. It is used by name painters such as (the late) Zoltan Szabo, Stephen Quiller, Fetingis, and Catherine Anderson. I would probably use all Maimeriblu, but I've gotten attached to the Van Gogh / Rembrant hues mentioned above. I would say overall Maimeriblu is the best and a total no-brainer for the value conscious watercolorist. Cheap Joe sells Maimeriblu, BTW. | ||
J.L. Johnson |
What about Van Gogh paints. I tend to like them better than the more expensive paints? | ||
Kukana |
About the mutiple palettes.. I have a fine art image of Flowers I often paint in several variations as it always sells so well. (Especially back in my "paint to match your sofa" stage) Anyway, I've done this same basic compostion so many times I've lost count. One time, just for fun I started five of them I laid out five full size sheets and started with washes using a diferent palette or each one.Then after the washes I got out specific brushes and dedicated them to each painting. One painting I only used flats, One only rounds, one only large brushes, one only small....But all the same composition. I finished them all and they all looked so different. I framed up up took all five to a show and sold every single one of them each in the two day show. It was really an interesting study of how the work evolved. They all looks like my work but because the color was so different and the application was so differnt from the loosness of the large brushes to the tightnes fo the small ones, flats and rounds, etc. I had a ton of fun, learned a lot and broke out of my mold. Try it! | ||
Pat |
Just checking in here after a long spell away. I especially enjoyed Robert's observation about many of the Van Gogh pigments, which I also use, and because of the price, I feel like I'm getting a great bargain! Thanks for sharing your palette! | ||
Annapet |
Oh, and I love Kukana's colors. I don't know her exact palette, but love those women she paints! | ||
Kukana |
OK, so we all know Im the self proclaimed queen of color. I figure its cheaper that booze and less toxic on my body. I sometimes feel that there is 'too many paints and too little time'. I love to buy new colors and experiment. The only reason it works for me and my paintings is that I own so many diferent palettes.I don't use all the colors at one time! I have five major palettes I work with fairly consistantly and all are different. The first four are called after famous artist as they mimic their "look" or pallete. 1.Don Andrews, 2.Frank Webb, 3 Barbara Nechis, 4.Jeanne Dobie 5.Suzy Toronto (My own... which is based on my Wonderful Wacky Women commercial line.) Although my first four palettes are not exactly true and consistant with those artist, they are the predominent colors they recommend at the workshops I've taken plus I've added one or two of my own. Each one only has about 12 to 15 colors max except the last, mine, on which has 21 however there are at least 6-8color wells I never use anymore. Color is fun to play with and nothing changes the feel of one of my paintings like changing color pallettes It strikes a whole new chord with me and sends me off in new creative directions. | ||
Annapet |
Oooops. I find myself very happy when I paint. | ||
Annapet |
Thanks, Robert. I understand what you mean. The "greats" and more experienced ones have limited palettes. They know the colors that work, and they have color schemes almost uniquely theirs. I sure do not have my very own palette yet and right now, I'm enjoying discovering colors. The number of colors DS offers, I see it as a positive thing. It's always collect at your own discretion =) In time I'll build my own palette. I hope so. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the discovery of watercolor. One of my favorite artists love colors. I can't describe Penny Soto having a limited palette. Let me quote Jane, "I think this is supposed to be fun... and color is so exciting. The best colors and the best paints should be what excite you... colors you love." I find myself very happy when paint. | ||
Robert |
I know a lot of people have very broad palettes with scores of colors and are are excitied about trying new colors. I have, by contrast, noticed in watrercolor instruction books, videos, websites, workshops etc that, by and large, the big names, the people who are renowned for their excellence, use relatively limited palettes with tried and true pigments that, through mixing, give them a great range of colors. It seems the biggest advantage of a limited palette is the harmony achieved in a painting because all of the colors inter relate whereas the biggest risk in having a virtually unlimited repertoire of pigment for one's palette is the chaotic garishness attendant with too many bright and unrelated colors. I say all of this because the more I paint, the more I have success with a limited palette (and in any one painting I only use a few of the colors in my 15 color palette), but it feels hard to ween myself from the temptation to experience the visual/sensual rush of brushing out a new lovely pigment offered by D/s or whomever. I think there is a reason for the six to sixteen color limited palette and the wisdom of this shows in the number of "greats" who employ such palettes. | ||
Annapet |
Anonymous, thank you for your posting. I must confess I feel the same way about the DS catalog. | ||
Anonymous |
I attended a workshop given by Karen Massengill. She gave us a workshop sheet that listed only Daniel Smith's paints. Well for a beginner it was quite an investment, but I purchased the recommended colors. Wow!!!! She demonstrated her "TRIAD", which consisted of Qu.Rose, Qu.Gold and Cobolt Blue. What a beautiful combo. She never uses a palette, just lets the paint flow and mix on the paper. Everytime I receive a Daniel Smith catalog I'm like a kid in a candy store - so many tempting flavors. Anyway, I couldn't resist and I purchased some of the duochrome watercolors. Very interesting light effects with the mica in these paints. Has anyone ever used these paints? I'll look forward to some tips and suggestions. Thanks all. | ||
Annapet |
I hope you are all having a great day. I promised myself I won't post anything unless I get to keep my appointment to paint. So eager to paint, and so eager to thank Jane for posting her insight. Rainbow, thanks for sharing a few of your works. It will be a while for me to show mine. Perhaps when I begin to LOVE my paintings =) Jane, that segment of your artistic journey is encouraging. Thank you. Last night I tried both DS and W&N Quinacridone Magentas. Can't complain. | ||
jandrle |
Wonderful... That means you are probably growing, too. It feels so good to look back and realize that your work has changed... and that you love it even more. Once in art school I had a ton of huge drawings rolled up in my cubby hole. It was time for my critique and the instructor began struggling with these rolled papers. He looked at me and told me to reschedule the critique and get these drawings flattened in the meantime. Then he looked at me and asked me how I could treat my work that way. He said that I was supposed to love my work, and treat it with care and respect. Now I will say that those drawings were probably abysmal. But I learned something from that... and now I create work that I do love... and I understand. Wonder why that came to me? :) Jane | ||
Annapet |
rainbow i hope your hubby feels better and that you're not getting sick yourself. but you have a 3-year old doctor taking care of you =) so, nothing to worry about. i'm a mommy, too! my son is turning 2 this month. happy painting when you can. still painting and testing the DS paints that i have. jane if you're out there reading this, glad to tell you that i'm having fun. thanks to all who have contributed to this discussion so far. | ||
rainbow |
Thanks, Annapet! I haven't really shown anything publicly. The show is for our local art group. You have to jury into the group but not the show. The other artists are just fantastic. I have been trying to post a few samples of my work but with no luck so far. My hubby's home sick today and my 3 year old is worried about me,too, so, it'll have to wait. I'll probably try again later. I could really use the feedback. | ||
Annapet |
Jane, thank you for your insight. Your voice is very encouraging. Ramble away when you can. It's a very happy painting day =) | ||
jandrle |
My biggest problem with paint is when it catches a wash that comes up to it and bleeds it into the dry color. I always try to use those paints last, if at all, so that doesn't happen. Since doing the November workshop I have been painting in washes, so I look for paints that merge and blend well within the washes... another thing we worked on was local color vs. alternate colors... so I keep experimenting with colors that create strong lights and darks. It is wonderful to be able to use color where I want rather than striving for the perfect match. I did that for so many years and am really enjoying painting differently. I will never go back to what I was doing before. In fact, I just ran some prints that I did a year ago for a silent auction donation . The paintings were immensely successful and popular, both in prints and notecards... and I looked at them this week and thought HOW BORING THESE ARE!!! There you go... I think this is supposed to be fun... and color is so exciting. The best colors and the best paints should be what excite you... colors you love. I hate cadmium red. All of it. Always have. It is a staple on almost every palette in every class. When I did an oil workshop in February I had to buy almost every color on the list because I really didn't like any of them and didn't have them in the box. Enough rambling... Jane | ||
Annapet |
Again, thank you for your comments. Please keep them coming! Kukana, I can't wait to try the DS quins. Being a newbie and all, I'm making careful notes of the DS colors that I have tried, and so far, they are all keepers. Rainbow, good luck on your show. Work posted online somewhere? I'd love to see. Have a great weekend! | ||
Kukana |
I use all the DS Quins. I love them They all seem quite transparent to me. I have tried the AJ Quins too. I like them but they are nt a great as the DS | ||
rainbow |
I've ordered a few samplers from Daniel Smith and I love the paint. That said, I have tried to really emphasize the transparent quality of my watercolors lately. I work also in acrylics and, at first, my watercolors were very faint and faded looking. Then they became very dense and too close to opaque to suit me--I like the work but it isn't what I wanted when I started with watercolors. Anyway--I was surprised that DS rates the majority of their watercolors as SO or O. I think the quins are transparent and I have, regretfully, only tried a couple of them so far but the other colors really surprised me with their ratings. Is anyone using some of the other colors?--I know many folks really love the quins.--if so, how are you finding the transparency? (I've got my first group/club show coming up so I'm back to acrylics. Figured I'd better stick with what I know). P. | ||
Annapet |
Thanks, Jane. I agree, DS colors, I'm finding out are pretty fun and exciting. Happy painting, too =) | ||
jandrle |
I think that Daniel Smith colors are fun. Every once in awhile I order one or two that are different, just to shake up my painting. In fact, I just got a set of three and one was a green. It is the first tube of green watercolor paint I have ever owned. Was taught not to use it... I tried it on some golfing paintings I am doing and liked it. Didn't find it to be unnatural looking at all. A color doesn't stay on my palette long if it doesn't fill a need. And W&N is always good. I like Holbein too. Happy painting. Jane | ||
Anonymous |
Gentlemen, thanks for your replies. I really appreciate the information you're sharing. John, I actually like the idea that DS offers us many choices. It's a little overwhelming for a beginner like me, but I do enjoy reading the literature that backs-up their colors, and I admire their efforts in searching out sources of natural earth pigments. Do you have your DS favorites? Wow, Robert, how gracious you are giving away your (now) not-so-secret palette ;-) What a wealth of knowledge! BTW, I tried reaching Admin to create an account, but my e-mail bounced back...I'll check on it again. Enjoy the rest of the day! Annapet (Anonymous No. 1) | ||
Robert |
Apologies for typos any below. | ||
robert |
I can't argue with Daniel Smith's quality. They are fine paints. But there are others which are equally good. I have found that over the years having sampled about everything out there that my palette consists of several brands. I have discovered that in each color/pigment I like a specific brands' hue or handling. Just for the fun of it, here's my 16 color palette and why I choose each paint. With this palette I can mix any color easily and achieve any desired effect. 1. Lemon Yellow (Hansa) --Grumbacher--very concentrated, a little greener than others, handles beautifully (dispite what handprint erroneously claims). Can be brushed in to darks and the small hint of ox gall allows it to create a beautiful boucnced light effect. 2. Cabmium Yellow Medium-- Rembrandt--Almost the exact hue of W/N Cad. Yellow Pale (slightly warmer) but handles better--no ox gall so does not spread in wash. 3.Indian Yellow --Maimeriblu--Unlike almost all of the other Indian yellows which are mostly variotions on the same pigment found in W/N New Gamboge, this Yellow maintains it's hue in dilution --ie, does not go greener. It has absolutely no green undertone (unlike the others) and so it can be used to tone down greens and blues. It has a fair amt. of ox gall and works great brushed into other colors as bounced light--esp ult. blue. 4. Cad. Red Lt.--Maimeriblu--Wonderful mixer. Exactly same hue as W/N cad. Scarlet but about 1/2 the price. Just as concentrated, and handles the same. 5. Permanent Red Violet (Quinacridone Violet) --Van Gogh--that's right Van Gogh. First there is absolutely no difference in concentration or handling qualities between this and the Artists Grade Rembrandt (this is what Wilcox says in his guide to watercolors, btw). 1/2 the price. It's a great color--darker than permanent rose--close to W/N Permanent magenta. A lightfast substitute for Aliz Crimson. My favorite color. 6.Permanent Blue Violet-again Van Gogh for the same reason. This is one of the best lightfast violets. Similar to Winsor Violet. Just as good. 7.Cobalt Blue Light--Maimeriblu--Very concentrated and finely ground. Beautiful paint. Handles superbly. 8. Cerulean Blue--Maimeriblu--a little less green than W/N and much more concentrated. A little goes a long way. Does not granulate much. 9. Ultramarine Blue-Grumbacher Academy--This is absolutely the best Ultramarine on the market! It is very much shifted toward violet and very dense in piugment. It is more coarsely ground and granulates beautifully. Identical to Holbein's Ultramarine Blue Deep. I also sometimes use Grumbacher finest Ultramarine (not French) as a beautiful blue--perhaps the single best blue on the market--almost the color or cobalt, but darker. This is an even more strikinly beautiful blue that M. Graham's Ultramarine and handles much better. (It's so wierd--Handprint says Grumbacher paints handle horribly and I find them to handle beautifully!!!Go figure). 10. Pthalo Blue Van Gogh--I've tried 'em all and this one is for me. It is dead on the best pthalo match for Prussian Blue. Much like Winsor Blue Red shade but a fraction of the cost. Great mixer, especially with venetian red. 11. Pthalo Green --Grumbacher Finest--the densest on the market after M. Graham. M.Graham's sticks too much to the brush and you end up with huge amts of pigment. A real Mess with Pthalo greem. Grumbacher finest Pthalo Green is almost as concentrated but it is each to get the right amt. All of the other brands seem weak by comparison and since I use Pthalo green to make my darks (with Permanent red violet (PV-19) above) a strong concentration is useful. DO NOT get grumbacher academy pthalo green because when it dries it leaves flakes of dried undissolved paint on the brush. 12. Grumbacher Finest Virdian--what a wonderful color--fully granulates and is noticably duller that pthalo (unlike other viridians) and so it makes very natural green mixes with maimeriblu indian yellow. Great for neutralizing reds. Earth colors-- all are maimerblu--maimerblu has a unique philosophy about earth colors--less is more. These have a significantly weaker concentration of pigment that others and so do not muddy a mix. The provide just the right touch. They are all natural earth pigments and the hues are very balance. I use 13.burnt sienna, 14.raw sienna, 15.raw umber, and 16.venetian red (my severt weapon for grays and clouds --use very diluted--this is a very dense pigment--exception to the above statement). Slap these in Cheap Joe's Original Palette and you have a great palette. | ||
John Preston |
I've found their colors to be very high quality, easily the equal to W&N. As to 5 + Burnt Siennas, your point is well taken though it's worth noting that they are actively searching out sources of natural earth pigments when other manufacturers are switching over to the Mars pigments and keeping the old pigment names. Nothing against Mars pigments, they're reliable and lightfast but a furnace product tends to be uniform wheras the naturally occuring earth pigments have unique shades and qualities. | ||
Anonymous |
Thanks for your reply. I agree, they do market their products well. I guess one really doesn't need to collect all 5 burnt siennas and all 28 quinacridones all at once =) (And not to forget, special thanks to the artists who mentioned HANDPRINT in earlier/other topics. The reviews are quite helpful.) Have a great day. | ||
Anonymous |
My question is, does one really need 5 burnt siennas and 28 shades of quinacridone violet? I see them as marketing high quality paints to people who don't mix colors. | ||
Anonymous |
Hello =) I have recently started to discover the wonderful world of Daniel Smith Watercolors . . . I would like to hear your thoughts and comments about their line, both positive and negative. I also use Schmincke and W&N. Thank you for your time. |
