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Annapet
Posted on Sunday, June 6, 2004 - 12:31 pm:   Print Post

You guys and gals are the best. The funny thing is, I'm glad this Artist Community exists. If not, I'll be browsing and buying while waiting for paint to dry.
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sfrissell
Posted on Sunday, June 6, 2004 - 11:16 am:   Print Post

Robert:

Good statement! I take exception, however, to your line re
Cheap Joes art supplies "we can't buy it all". While I know
that't true, I just can't bring myself to accept it! While you
are waiting for a wash to dry (not using a hair dryer) what's
more entertaining than browsing Joe's catalog and making
lists of what you really disparately need but can't afford??

I guess "artloser" doesn't have a sense of humor. Maybee
he's an Art Critic wannabe??

Let's keep up the useful, lighthearted, enjoyable
conversation here folks!!

Sid
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Robert
Posted on Sunday, June 6, 2004 - 7:39 am:   Print Post

"i got the free brush too and it was okay. u people all sound like a bunch of wannabe artists with nothing better to do. yuck, u guys are the worse." For a thirteen year old you have quite a lot of insight into human nature.

How does a wannabe artist sound? Any different from an artist? How does an artist sound? Did Van Gogh and Giotto, since they were artists, sound the same? I don't know many wanna be artists. Sometimes when I'm painting plein air some people come up and say--I wish I could do that--does that make them wannabe artists? Most people who create are artists. Those who do not create art are not. What's this idiocy about wannabees? I'm sure you've noticed that Cheap Joe's sells a lot of art stuff. We talk about it (the stuff) so we can know what to buy to achieve our goals. We can;t buy it all, but but something we must. It's hard to create art with air. By analogy, air guitarists don't get much air play.
BTW--There are a lot of people in this world that think that they have superior insights into how the world really is--they think they can see through the illusions, the veil of samsara, into the truth. You must be one of them. But, there's a beautiful world out there--I feel like painting.
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garydoc
Posted on Saturday, June 5, 2004 - 2:51 pm:   Print Post

Perhaps some find it difficult to enjoy the ramblings and ruminations others consider social discourse. (emphasize "course"!)
Others find this discussion of brushes amusing, informative, and delightful.
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Kukana
Posted on Friday, June 4, 2004 - 4:49 pm:   Print Post

Oh my, aren't you nasty person.
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artlosers
Posted on Thursday, June 3, 2004 - 7:05 pm:   Print Post

i got the free brush too and it was okay. u people all sound like a bunch of wannabe artists with nothing better to do. yuck, u guys are the worse.
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Kukana
Posted on Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - 8:58 pm:   Print Post

I liked my legends OK but I found I liked the dragon tongues better...Oh crap...was is the other way around. I hope I ordered the right ones!!!I know I hated the lizard Licks
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Annapet
Posted on Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - 8:38 pm:   Print Post

My guess is, we all laughed Dake! =) Kukana is such a sport. Please do tell us about your new set of Dragon Tongue brushes. I just ordered my set of Legend. I can't wait! Everything is still so new and exciting to me...
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Kukana
Posted on Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - 2:26 pm:   Print Post

Well I was going to post you one of the cute little images i painted before my brushes were dosed with Pebeo.. I use the pebeo to make little white dots in the background of my underwater mermaid characters so I can just wash lots of rich dark color over the whole thing and get it real saturated. Oh well..It was the Watercolour gods after all.

Anyway...I've decidednot to replace all my spendy Kalish brushes and opt for somme more reasonably priced dragon tongues instead. I'll let you knw how they stack up.
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Kukana
Posted on Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - 2:21 pm:   Print Post

!
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Dake
Posted on Wednesday, June 2, 2004 - 6:02 am:   Print Post

Sorry to hear that Kukana......):
I's the gods of watercolour punishing you for using masking fluid...only jokin!
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Kukana
Posted on Tuesday, June 1, 2004 - 7:25 am:   Print Post

You all aren't going to believe this. I went to Cancun for a week and took a half dozen of my best brushes, a few pens, pebeo and and eraser in a zip lock bag. I had a great time painting. When I got home and opened my suitcase I realized that my pebeo masking fluid, that I use for white bubbles in my underwater charatures, had exploded in the zip bag and ruined all my good expensive brushes! Ouch. It cost me $260 to replace them. Hard lesson learned!!! Yikes!

Like the old saying goes...If I can't be a shining example..let me stand as a horrible warning!
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Annapet
Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:19 am:   Print Post

Thanks for all your replies!

Robert, yes it is made in France. And thanks for the recommendations. I often go back to handprint, and I must admit, it's a lot to digest. Very good read though. The site rocks.

John, Dake, thank you again.

So, who else got the FREE Arches Pure Kolinsky Sable Brush? We'd love to hear from you!

=)
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Dake
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 7:35 pm:   Print Post

Thanks John, You're probably right about getting accustomed to a feel. I found it a tremendous help to stick to one brush. The squirrel has it's querks but I've found ways to manipulate the moisture content at the tip. Also becoming aware of the weight..you get to know how saturated it is by the feel. I don't find the lack of spring that much of a problem but admittedly i'd like to try a series 7 biggy.
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John Preston
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 10:35 am:   Print Post

Dake and Robert,
Thanks for the input on brushes (BTW that's a really nice sketch on the other thread, Dake. It does indicate that brush is quite versatile). I too have a Dragon's Toungue that has just about lost it's point, though I do like it's water carrying capacity and spring. I tend to like a good bit of spring so I've not tried a squirrel hair brush yet. Maybe you just have to get used to the softness.
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Dake
Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 4:19 am:   Print Post

The money I've spent on large size kolinski brushes makes me cringe, seeing they mostly sit there watching the big brother rekab squirrel get chosen above them, every time. I have a #18 cjas dragon tongue that almost lasted a year with a pointy tip, you'd be doing great to make a 5mm line with it now, it's like a tired old rabbit.
I have another kolinski that cost me 400 bucks 4 years ago...(Charles Reid signature)it's better than the Dragons tongue but only just. And i've had this old 20mm squirrel for years that's as light as a feather and can make marks from 1mm almost rigger lines to 2&1/2 inch broard strokes at will. It kills the kolinskis for expresiveness and drivability. So I reckon kolinskis are overrated and overpriced.
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robert
Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 4:59 pm:   Print Post

They have much less spring than the seris 7 winsor newton brushes, so that could be a factor.
I don't mind but many would.
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John Preston
Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 3:37 pm:   Print Post

Robert,
Thanks for the paper info! I have the ABS catalog but thought their prices were so good that their brushes couldn't be...guess I better try one!
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Robert
Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 3:03 pm:   Print Post

One more time--sorry for the multiple posting--
I dug up a sheet of arches cp (had one in a left over block) and compared it to the waterford CP. Waterford is coarser--bigger "dimples" but doens't feel particularly rough to the brush.Actually in scritinizing it, I think I will start using it over the waterford rough. It's very inexpensive and excellent paper. I love it. BTW--It is the official paper of the Royal Watercolor Society, for what it's worth.

--These discussion are so much fun. It's nice to have a community.
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Robert
Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 2:54 pm:   Print Post

Also, here's the ABS brush website--I got a long point #12 Kolinsky for way under $100 and it much better than the Winsor Newton series 7 #12 (which isn't made anymore) I have.
http://www.absbrushes.com/
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Robert
Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 2:51 pm:   Print Post

Hi John--CP seems similarly textured but I don't have any arches left for direct comparison --I use the waterford rough mostly and it's textures are larger and shallower than arches rough (arches seems a bit rougher to the brush). Here's what handprint says:
http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/paper2i.html

Also I highly recommend ABS kolinsky brushes. They are handmade in England at a little rural shop and are very resonable. You can order online in US bucks.
Here's the review, FYI:
http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/brush3a.html
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John Preston
Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 8:55 am:   Print Post

Robert,
I sympathize with you man, but if it's a good brush/paper/whatever,why not use it? (The person who made it may sympathize with us too! Besides,I'm sure there are U.S. and U.K. producers who swing "European" in their thinking.) BTW, is the Waterford cold press and is it more or less textured than Arches?
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Robert
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 11:46 am:   Print Post

Are they made in France?
[I have switched papers from Arches to Waterford becasue of place of origin (I also like it better, as it turns out)].
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John Preston
Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 8:19 pm:   Print Post

Sounds good, I'll keep my eye peeled for them when they come out. I had a Series 7 and it was (still is) a good brush, though it lost it's point years ago. I just prefer the natural hair brushes cause they carry more paint and I want a brush that will do duty as a wash brush too.Most of the travel brushes I've seen are nylon.
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Annapet
Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 12:28 pm:   Print Post

Hi, John, thanks for the message. I was hoping to hear reviews from someone like you who knows what he's talking about =) Yes, it'd make an awesome travel brush. I don't know much about anything, but I already like it better than the W&N Series 7 No. 3 that I got as a gift. Love the point.

I called Canson, and the brushes will be out in the market in a few months.

http://www.canson.fr/arches/en/pinc_innovation.php?PHPSESSID=8f4b5d1e4d89c28f25c89a01776613d5
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John Preston
Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 9:04 am:   Print Post

Annapet,
Is this by any chance a travel type brush with a protective cover? I'm looking for something like that and like to hear "reviews".
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Annapet
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 7:58 pm:   Print Post

Hello there! With my recent CJ order, I received a FREE No. 3 Arches Pure Kolinsky Sable Brush. I LOVE IT! And the hi-tech cover is WOW.

If you also received one and have tried it, please share what you think.

Thank you!

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