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  Linda |
The Earth knows how you treat her. She knows us each by name. There are things we can do to help her creatures when we know we have been hard on her children. I recommend planting trees. | ||
jdaneman |
Re Manganese Blue (true) This is an irreplaceable pigment, though I found Holbein's imitation to be quite good. The real paint is sold by Blockx, a Belgian company and it really is Manganese blue, with the precipitating quality and that ethereal turquoise overtone. As to cerulean, I have tried AJ, Holbein, and Daniel Smith. I think Winsor Newton's is still the color cerulean I imagined as the "real one" but Holbein's isn't bad. Somehow, DS was a bit too intense. I also have some Schminke. I had a whole set of Schminke paints (all I could get when I lived in Germany for a few years) but my swatch testing shows they are not as lightfast as one would hope, despite what Hilary Page might say. I did a huge swatch test and my swatches look quite faded, though abrasion through a lot of moving here and there could also be at fault (we moved 4 times in 1 year.) I think I'd go with Holbein for Mang. Blue Hue and Cerulean now, but I do have a stash of Blockx, though I feel guilty for using it as it's quite a pollutant. Joanna | ||
drollere |
to the topic: i think blockx mang blu is the best you can get now, although lukas also markets it in a weaker form. the problem with cerulean blues is that they have a pretty wide hue range, and vary in how much they granulate. to the off topic: i'm not sure about environmental regulations in europe, but i'd be very surprised if the dutch permitted a factory to operate in a way that poisoned children. it's probably more accurate to say that governments put environmental laws in place and factories close up rather than do the capital investment required by the codes. ultimately that means that the market won't support a higher price for the pigment, traditionally a colorant for glassware and concrete. | ||
Joanna Daneman |
Right: Hue is supposed to indicate that the original ingredient is substituted. I can't recommend Hilary Page's Guide to Watercolor Paints enough as she goes into what pigments are what color (and which manufacturers mix pigments to simulate the traditional.) She added update pages for American Journey, available to book owners by sending her an email on her website. | ||
Kukana |
I was the one originaly loking of for the Mang. Blue and cerulean. I just ordered Daniel Smith Manganese Hue...I actually like it . I don't LOVE it but so far, it's not bad. I Also like their cerulean that I ordered. I like them both well enough to use them for a while. The test will be if I reorder either one after using them up. Im assuming that the Manganese Hue, since hue conotates that its not really manganese, is enviromentally sound??????? | ||
Joanna Daneman |
It is sad that Mn blue pollutes as it's an irreplaceable shade. I agree the Holbein is a good substitute. Metal pollution is possibly one of the most horrible. Seen quite a few awful things in my travels and areas that got heavy metal pollution are among the unhealthiest. Sadly my home state is one of them. | ||
Robert |
No--as I recall someone asked who made it and I told them Blockx. Also, I didn't know until the other day WHY manganese blue was being made unavailble. Thank you for possibly unearthing an inconsistency. We all need someone to monitor our positions from moment to moment to ensure we don't slip into hypocrisy. However if there is an inconsistency in my words that you are noting, it may be becauae I have now come to realize that it is a pollutant. I didn;t know this before. Now that I know, I certainly don't have a desire to use it, though I always thought it was a great color. W/N cerulean seems to granulate readily and is on the green side. Seems like an acceptable alternative. | ||
Anonymous |
Robert - weren't you just recently interested in buying some manganese? | ||
Robert |
If you are poking fun at Anon.'s concern over the fact that Maganese Blue's manufacturing causes heavy metal air and water pollution, keep in mind the facts: the German govt. has outlawed the practice because of its heavy metal pollution. Heavy metal pollution causes mental retardation and other severe problems in children. So ridcule all you want. The facts speak for themselves. It just depends upon whether or not they have any significance for you. It is asking a lot for people to consume with a conscience, and an intelligent eye on how their actions relate to the whole. | ||
Anonymous |
I believe the manganese blue is being manufactured underground in the Zeider Zee under Vriesian dictators who don't allow any children near their island - but I could be wrong. | ||
Anonymous |
FWIW--Most companies have discontinued manganese blue becasue the manufacturing of the pigment results in massive air and water pollution and so it has been made illegal to manufacture it in most countries, except Belgium. To buy Blockx Manganese Blue is to contribute to the heavy metal poisoning of Belgium's young children. | ||
Sid |
Look on p. 16 of Cheap Joe's catalog or check their on-line catalog. | ||
Anonymous |
Where can I buy Rembrandt Transparent Oxide Brown? | ||
Anonymous |
Bloxx re-issued "manganese blue" sold at ASW is beautiful and differs greatly from the hues. I did a good comparison with Bloxx and Holbein's hue, and I'd say the Holbein paled in comparison. Of course I'll use them both up :) | ||
Sid |
I just checked "Handprint" website--he says Holbein Mg Bl has been discontinued. He recommends Blockx Mg Blue-- which he says is somewhat darker but still the best choice. As to substitutes--he recommends Holbein's Peacock Blue although it does not granulate. True Mg blue pigment is apparently becoming rare! Sid | ||
janngogh |
I love Holbein's Manganese. It is the only one I use. I love the granular effects. It creates great texture and visual interest. I mix it with other blues just to get the granulation. | ||
Dake |
What was wrong with W&N manganese blue? I find it a magnificent cooling device with all the transparency cerulean lacks. Perhaps it's a non granulating alternative you seek....sorry can't help you. | ||
Anonymous |
ASW sells the Bloxx (sp) manganese. I got it and it is great and differs considerably from the Holbein manganese hue I have. Last month it was on sale. Can't make an equally good recommendation for cerelean. | ||
Kukana |
I am looking of for input on color, specifically maganese blue and cerulean. Does anyoine have a brand of either that they particularly like? I have tried WN (So so) and DS (They only have Maganese hue) Any ideas? as per my style, I am looking for as clean, lear and criso a color as I can get. |
