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Suzy
Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 10:11 pm:   Print Post

I glaze with Quinacridone Gold all the time in my fine art. I love it as a "Yellow Glaze"
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tachee
Posted on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 - 9:38 am:   Print Post

i wish you people would quit expanding my mind. you are giving me a headache. i never looked at NUMBERS before. you can tell the age of a person by the amount of pain they feel when made to listen to new ideas.
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Anonymous Painter
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 3:47 pm:   Print Post

I used the original (single pigment, btw) Transparent yellow, PY97, which other brands sometimes call Hansa yellow. In fact, since it was discontinued this year, and is my 'workhorse' yellow, I recently bought 2 new 14ml. tubes to ease the transition. :D

I'll go check out the PY150 writeup in handprint now, thanks. Maybe my panic buying was baseless -- all may yet be well... Originally I switched from Winsor yellow to Transparent yellow, and I love this stuff. In particular, a touch of PY97 with 'Quinacridone red' (PR 209) makes a very hot, transparent red-orange I simply must have!!!
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Robert
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 10:03 am:   Print Post

Interesting Michael M. --They didn't actually discontinue it, they changed pigments this year!!! Thanks for the correction--here are the two relevant handprint cut and pastes:

PY97 transparent yellow
[discontinued in 2005] Winsor & Newton

PY150 transparent yellow Winsor & Newton

So, in your post, Anonymous painter, about successful glazing with W/N Transparent yellow, were you referring to PY 97 or PY 150?
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Michael M
Posted on Monday, October 31, 2005 - 9:32 am:   Print Post

W/N Transparent Yellow is not discontinued, it was changed to a single pigment PY150, Nickel Azo Yellow. It's a duotone yellow that looks like yellow ochre in mass tone then washes out to greenish pale yellow. Nice for landscapes. Schminke & DS also offer this paint.
HTH,
Michael
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Robert
Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 12:41 pm:   Print Post

FYI-- Transparent Yellow. Winsor Newton has discontinued manufacturing it. A continuing source is Maimeriblu Primary Yellow which is also (transparent) PY97.
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Anonymous Painter
Posted on Sunday, October 30, 2005 - 12:49 am:   Print Post

I've recently used W/N Transparent yellow for extensive 'negative glazing' and it worked just fine. Btw, the Winsor yellow is actually slightly more opaque than 'Transparent yellow' (aka 'Hansa' yellow).

Actual aureolyn is, of course, a highly fugitive pigment that should not be used professionally any longer, but I know some brands use that name for more lightfast pigments.
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Robert
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 5:12 pm:   Print Post

Those are all transparent yellows.
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marie
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 3:37 pm:   Print Post

Thanks to everyone for the responses.

Personally, I have never had a problem with glazing yellow. Although glazing is not an essential part of my style, I have from time to time glazed quinacridone gold, Winsor (benzamidazalone) yellow, and occasionally even raw sienna. It has always worked for me.
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Tiff
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 12:35 pm:   Print Post

I'm sorry, I deleted part of my sentence--Following the advice of not glazing yellow is not slavishly following rules but rather seeking to avoid ugly results.
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Tiff
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 12:33 pm:   Print Post

"...break the rules."

The advice about not glazing yellow is a matter of slavishly following rules but a practical warning about ugly results.
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katydid2005
Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 11:22 am:   Print Post

I don't do a lot of glazing, but I constantly use winsor yellow as a lifting tool for foliage. the yellow never looks opaque or chalky and leaves a more natural color than the whitish washed out look lifting with water alone sometimes leaves...I wouldn't hesitate to use yellow to glaze, limiting it at first until I was sure I was happy with the look...break the rules !!!
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midnight_baseball
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 11:32 pm:   Print Post

actually, i've recently (accidently) used a limited spot or two of hansa yellow as somewhat of an impasto accent in one painting with surprising success...

not transparent watercolor for sure - but it definitely worked for me in that instance.

i guess i'd never say never - rules are usually rules for a reason - but i sometimes consider them good guidelines.

usually when i do a transparent watercolor painting that will be layered color - i tend to put my lightest colors down first.
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Eugene
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 6:32 pm:   Print Post

Jean Dobie , in her book, advises us to not glaze yellow over
other colors. She uses aureolin, but not for glazing. I think
Robert is correct when he says that yellow over a darker color
looks opaque and chaulky. Maybe a very pale glaze would be
OK
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Robert
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 5:20 pm:   Print Post

Speculation:
I think it must have something to do with the chemistry and behavior of the pigments. Most of them are to some degree opaque and often chaulky. Thus they would tend to leave blotches. The only yellow I use that is absolutely transparent in Maimeriblu Permanent Yellow Lemon (which is far to the green side of the yellow scale). Also, since yellow is the lightest color, glazing light over dark would always reveal any opacity of the top lighter pigment. I am wondering if quinacridone gold might work. I don't use it but it might. Possibly aureolin, but again I don't use it so am unsure.
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marie
Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 11:26 am:   Print Post

Several books I have read warn about the dangers of glazing yellow. Most of the books say that glazing yellow destroys the luminosity in a painting, or something to that effect.

1) Have you found this to be true in your experience?

2) Do you have any ideas about why glazing yellow is a problem?

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