| Author | Message | ||
  Robert |
Those of you who might try Maimeriblu: if you are going to use Maimeriblu, rather than buy a bunch of unknown fancy sounding colors, i strongly suggest you do a one to one replaement of the pigments in your existing palette. I think maimeriblu will please you . However, they make a lot of things you probably haven't tried before and it may be overwhelming to try to go with a totally unknown palette. If you have trouble knowing how to correlate what you use with what Maimeriblu offers, go to the guide to watercolor papints on handprint.com and look up the pigments you use and see what Maimeriblu calls their version of that pigment. If you are unclear, post a question and I can probably answer it. | ||
tachee |
ok robert. maimeriblu should know that you have another one who is going to try them. can't stand to just READ about colors. that turquoise green has whet my appetite. this must be the same as a gourmand reading a menu. | ||
tachee |
hey ap- i think i found szabos book at amazon used books starting at $7. | ||
Anonymous Painter |
Well, Robert, I may have to buy the PY 97 by Maimeriblu (or maybe the one by Daniel Smith), though I'll probably try the new W/N PY 150 (replacement 'Transparent yellow') first. The thing is, I bought my first paints by the 'lot' on Ebay. Even including shipping and discarding (giving away) the ones I won't use, it works out to be cheaper. I can't get to stores, so I like the delivery service, too. :) W/N is available almost everywhere, almost all the time. That's one of their big advantages. But in a year or so, when I'm ready to think about new paint, I'll definitely remember your advocacy of Maimeriblu! Zoltan Szabo had a very long painting career, btw. His later work became more abstract in style and may look 'tricky,' but have a look at the earlier books and you can see what a great painter he was. In particular, I want his 1978 book on Landscapes -- not many color illustrations, but a wealth of close observations about trees, skies, mountains, puddles, etc! | ||
Robert |
Here's a clue. One of the colors is Turquoise Green and it looks by the swatch to be a pthalo. Maimeriblu markets a pthalo PB16 under Turquoise Green. They are the only ones to call it that and I recall initially thinking it a strange designation since most consider turquoise a blue, not a green. Holbein offers PB16 as Marine Blue and W/N as pthalo turquoise. Only Maimeriblu calls it turquoise "green." Now Quiller calls his that. Very intersting hmmmmm. | ||
Robert |
This is an interesting mystery (for me). Who makes Quiller watercolors? The tube caps do not resemble any others. The color chart suggests colors made by W/N and Maimeri but not M. Graham. I suppose the pigment list, which is not published, would be a big clue. The paint is marketed by Jack Richeson who also markets Zoltan Szabo and Steven Quiller watercolor papers --which are both made by the same manufacturer in England (so says the advertisements). If they endorse the same paper, possibley they also endorse the same paint? The fact that Richeson handles it as well as Zoltan Szabo's supplies makes me lean toward Maimeri, which Szabo also endorsed. From the Jack Richeson website (part already posted): "Made in the traditional stone ground milling process. Many years ago, Jack made the decision to develop and manufacture a top line of watercolor. It was in 1994 that he first consulted the late watercolor master, Zoltan Szabo. He consulted the Ralph Meyer book, the Hilary Page book and several books by Wilcox. He had many discussions with several old Grumbacher color chemists and with the famous color maker, Jacques Blockx. "Six times he threw away all that he had done and started over. Finally, he started having long conversations with Stephen Quiller. Steve’s opinions ran very close to those of Zoltan Szabo’s. Although the two greats had different styles, strong threads tying the varying opinions started to surface. Jack then began to study the work of Tom Lynch, Chris Van Winkle, Tom Fong, and Milford Zornes. "After nine years and tons of testing, a true professional watercolor line has emerged. The color is pure and extremely lightfast. The mineral colors have an incredible granulation, which can be a definite advantage for some artists, particularly those where texture is important. Each tube is individually labeled with special information for the ease of the artist: the lightfast rating, whether the color is staining or non-staining, its complimentary color and pigment make-up. The Stephen Quiller Professional Watercolors are available in 35 colors in 15ml open stock tubes and sets." The link to szabo is a circumstantial clue leading to Maimeri, but certainly not definitive. I also wonder who makes the Szabo and Quiller paper which Richeson markets. They say it comes from England so it is likely Waterford (Saunders). | ||
Robert |
So I suppose the maker is secret. Since he recently wrote an essay I read somewhere about touring the Maimeri plant in Itlay-- it could possibly be them. His consultaions with grumbacher and Blocxx are quite old, happened in the 90's, before the chief Grumbacher chemist, M. Graham, broke away and started his own paint line. | ||
midnight_baseball |
RE: eric - on maker of quiller paints from the world wide web: Stephen Quiller Watercolor Paints Made in the traditional stone ground milling process. Many years ago Jack Richeson made the decision to develop and manufacture a top line of watercolor. It was in 1994 that he first consulted the late watercolor master Zoltan Szabo. He consulted the Ralph Meyer book the Hilary Page book and several books by Wilcox. He had many discussions with several old Grumbacher color chemists and with the famous color maker Jacques Blockx. Six times he threw away all that he had done and started over. Finally he started having long conversations with Stephen Quiller. Steveâs opinions ran very close to those of Zoltan Szaboâs. Although the two greats had different styles strong threads tying the varying opinions started to surface. Jack then began to study the work of Tom Lynch, Chris Van Winkle, Tom Fong and Milford Zornes. After nine years and tons of testing a true professional watercolor line has emerged. The color is pure and extremely lightfast. The mineral colors have an incredible granulation which can be a definite advantage for some artists particularly those where texture is important. Each tube is individually labeled with special information for the ease of the artist: the lightfast rating whether the color is staining or non-staining its complimentary color and pigment make-up. The Stephen Quiller Professional Watercolors are available in 35 colors in 15ml open stock tubes and sets. | ||
Eric |
Does anyone know who makes the Quiller paints? | ||
Robert |
Until recently, when he started marketing his own paint line, Stpehen Quiller,recommmeded Maimeriblu. Even with his own paint line, some Maimeriblu are still recommended on his website to fill up certain spaces on his Quiller color wheel palette. Happy painting, y'all. | ||
Robert |
Continuing--I mean by that that his palette has three pthalos, three quinacridones and peridone (brightest) orange! (Though that portrait with a quilt does use fully saturated colors--my favorite, BTW) This new palette oughtta inspire some new visions! Best wishes with this. | ||
Robert |
Eugene--looking at your wonderful paintings, I would think Szabo's palette is quite saturated to achieve the muted landscape effects you so deftly produce. | ||
Robert |
His colors, though, are quite fresh, vibrant and transparent. Gotta hand him that. Also, he has very evocative atmospherics. I don't have a clue how to use a 4" slant brush, though. | ||
Eugene |
I'm trying Zoltan's colors, but I really don't care for his work. His techniques are too "tricky" for my taste | ||
Grace |
Yes, I am looking forward to working with this palette. I've long admired Zoltan Szabo's work through his books. | ||
Tiff |
Incredible how reasonable these paints are compared with their stellar quality. I suppose the company, for Italy, sells for less to break into the US market. The reatil prices are as high Winsor and Newton but the sale prices are very low. | ||
Grace |
I just ordered the entire Zoltan Szabo palette--16 tubes for $75--from his website. He was a man who thought a lot about color, even writing a book on it "color by Color" and the palette he uses seems fully transparent and exciting. Thanks for the tip. | ||
Eshkenazi |
I like Maimeri. I tried them because they were cheap but still regarded as 'professional' and was really impressed with how vibrant they are. I adore their ultramarine. In fact, after I switched, I started using so much ultramarine that I've gone through the tube in record time...I need to order more already! :) | ||
Robert |
Speaking of interesting artists, I lifted the below from http://www.zoltanszabo.com It gives the late Zoltan Szabo's endorsement of Maimeriblu and the Maimeriblu palette he used (and that is still sold on his website). Over the years Zoltan used many brands of pigments. Of course, he could make any of them do just as he wanted them to. The last decade he used Maimeri paints from Italy. He found them to be more finely ground and easy to activate... the phthalocyanine colors seem a bit more mellow and less aggressive than some of the other brands. We stock Zoltan's final palette and sometimes have others available. Color Group Size List Our Price Cadmium yellow lemon 3 15ml $14.25 $7.25 Permanent yellow deep 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Orange lake 2 15ml $12.00 $6.25 Raw sienna 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Burnt sienna 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Tiziano red 2 15ml $12.00 $6.25 Primary Red–Magenta 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Verzino (quinacridone violet) 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Permanent green yellowish 2 15ml $12.00 $6.25 Cupric green deep 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Green blue 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Primary blue, cyan 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Cobalt blue light 4 15ml $21.75 $11.50 Ultramarine blue deep 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Permanent violet bluish 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Ivory black 1 15ml $8.25 $4.15 Titanium white 20ml $5.00 | ||
victoria |
An interesting choice of artist's work to show. Joe Fettingis was the one whose workshop I took where I was introduced to Maimeriblu paints. It was only a two day workshop but I really enjoyed it. He is very interesting and informative. Victoria | ||
Robert |
Oh yea-- Sandal red = Winsor red Primary yellow = Transparent yellow | ||
Robert |
This maight be helpful-- Maimeriblu / W&N (unless noted) counterpart Gold Lake = Quinacridone Gold Primary red magenta= Permanent magenta or close to (permanent rose) Primary Blue Cyan = Winsor (Pthalo) Blue Green shade Cupric Green Deep--Winsor (pthalo)green blue shade Cupric Green Light--Winsor Green yellow shade Berlin Blue --Low concentration Winsor Blue red sh. Fiance Blue--Indranthrene Blue Orange Lake--Winsor Orange Tiazano red--quinacridone red Avignon orange--quinacridone sienna (daniel smith) Turquoise Green--marine Blue (holbein)--pthalo turquoise Dragon's Blood--Brown madder Green Blue-- pthalo green and blue mix Rose Lake--Unique -- very hot permanent rose | ||
Robert |
Maimeriblu has 2 that would work-- Primary red magenta --PV19 (quinacridone rose)--same pigment as w/n permanent rose. Rose Lake--PV19--specially formulated to produce a vibrant brilliant hotpink (in the direction of Opera) that is lightfast. This is much more intense than w/n permanent rose. | ||
Eugene |
Robert, what maimeriblu color should I substitute for Permanent Rose? Light a stick if incence for me. Eugene | ||
Eugene |
Robert, You've convinced me! I am using SOME maimeri now, along with other brands. But I'm going to try an "all Maimeri " palette to see if it make a real difference. Will report later. Thanks for the info. The web pages were great. | ||
Robert |
Here are paintings done w/ Maimeriblu watercolors by a couple of famous artists: Brilliant http://jfettingis.homestead.com/Gallery1.html Subtle http://www.catherineanderson.net/thumbs1.html | ||
Tiff |
I have to agree. As I posted earlier in the materials section, I use a limited all Maimeri palette and can get the most subtle hues with it. The paint really cooperates. It is interesting to find out that an artist is behind this rather than, say, a chemist alone. That explains why there is so much, as you say Robert, harmony. I thought I was the lone ranger in my use of Maimeri. Most people have never heard of it. However, all of the major internet outlets offer it. | ||
Robert |
I have 18 tubes on an altar surrounded by flowers and burning incense. Three times a day I bow down and worship at this altar. | ||
Eugene |
Robert, I thnk you really like Maimeriblu! | ||
Robert |
(Those of you who do not wish to hear more of my blatant promotion of Maimeriblu please ignore this thread) Oh, Victoria..I don't know if you had this experience since you only have a few colors, but the beauty of this line is how , if you use only this brand, all of the colors harmonize with each other so beautifully. Maimeri, the artist, has figured out how the earths harmonize with blues, for instanc, so all of the mixes are stunning. The Cobalt Blue Light is to die for. | ||
Robert |
An Italian artist paint company begun by a noteworthy Italian painter, Maimeri. Maimeri...."my, Merry"... is the company; Maimeriblu "My, Merry, Blue"... is their watercolor line. Glad you like 'em. I selfishly want them to grow in popularity so I can always be assured they will be available for moi. | ||
victoria |
A stupid question here: Just exactly how do you pronounce that name? I've never seen a pronunciation guide for it . I have a few tubes----went to a workshop where the instructor used them and liked the colors and so bought some. They are quite nice. Victoria | ||
Robert |
And additionally Almost all are single pigment formulations and are very pure and lively mixers. All are lightfast (Kind of the opposite of Holbein where lightfastness may be the exception rather than the rule). Also the swatches I posted are NOT at full masstone but are highly diulute samples. Again: http://www.maimeri.it/FineArts/colorprod.asp?mnu=0301 (I am not affiliated with Maimeri, just a devotee/artist worshipping at the altar of their divine product). | ||
Robert |
And by the way, perusing both "the Wilcox Guide to the Best Watercolour Paints" and handprint.com will confirm that these two authors hold Maimeriblu in highest regard. | ||
Robert |
Someone else's praise of Maimeriblu in the personal materials thread makes me want to chime in. First, some backstory: Since 1970 I painted with winsor newton watercolors. About 2002 I discovered Maimeriblu watercolors when the local art store had them (and later discontinued them out of anger that they were so cheap on the internet). I tried them and fell in love. Over the past year I (as I posted awhile back) abandoned them in favor of Daler Rowney and Rembrandt. My reason was that I needed paints that revealed the brushstroke and didn't blend too much. This blending is due to the presence of ox gall which Maimeriblu uses abundantly and Daler -Rowney and rembrandt do not use much of. I have since discovered that when I want paintings that hold brush strokes, the best way is to change to canson Montail Rough series 1059 paper or Strathmore series 400 CP paper. Both are student grade papers that tend to hold brushstokes beautifully. But now that the holding brushstrokes phase is through and i've returned to my usual style, I've discovered how incredibly special Maimeriblu paints are. They are brilliant and blend beautifully. Some of the colors are not as concentrated as others and some are more so. I wondered about this at first but realized they are created with the working artist in mind and each is at the concentration that works best in the actual process of painting. For instance , do you really need a highly coincentrated Pthalo blue or isn;t it better to use their normally concentrate berlin Blue (which is a pthalo red shade)? They are absolutely beautiful. The naming of the colors might throw you. For instance Cupric Green dark is pthalo green blue shade. Primary red Magenta is quinacridone rose. You have to check the pigment contents. The paints are gorgeous and so easy to work with. Even the tube openings and caps are the most user friendly on the market. I love them --I love them--I love them. AND THEY ARE THE CHEAPEST PROFESSIONAL GRADE PAINT ON THE MARKET !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FYI: http://www.maimeri.it/FineArts/colorprod.asp?mnu=0301 click on ea. color to get picture blowup and pigment contents |
