| Author | Message | ||
  Bill Unregistered guest |
Yes--I have done paintings that focused on sunlit fields and have made the sky yellow as well to harmonize with the fields. | ||
Whitewatercolor Intermediate Member Username: Whitewatercolor Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2006 |
Some important things to remember about skies: The colors you use in the sky should not be different than the colors you use in the landscape. The texture and movement of the sky should be followed through in the landscape. So, unless the sky is the subject of your painting, the landscape will determine the sky. All things are connected, the light reflects back and forth. Robert Henri said something to the effect that the background should only be there to support the figure (since he was a figure painter) but the same holds true for the sky and landscape. | ||
Marie Advanced Member Username: Marie Post Number: 115 Registered: 8-2006 |
One url per post should be fine. Thanks, Terry! | ||
Terry Member Username: Terry Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2006 |
One url per post will have to do it. When I took off that restriction, we were spammed bad. | ||
Anon. Unregistered guest |
I agree--frustrating-- | ||
Rekha Intermediate Member Username: Rekha Post Number: 88 Registered: 8-2006 |
This is a public forum and some of us haven't caught up with the modern world of brevity. After reading your humourous email then to have to try to translate what the acronyms meant was frustrating | ||
J Unregistered guest |
It meant Thanks For Your Help - a common web abbreviation. And it was addressed to Terry. PDTMHTLML, /J | ||
Rekha Intermediate Member Username: Rekha Post Number: 87 Registered: 8-2006 |
Jay, PDUTMA | ||
Marie Advanced Member Username: Marie Post Number: 114 Registered: 8-2006 |
As of right now, I can type *one* url in a post. For example, http://blog.lookingforthelongride.com/. I cannot type a second one. This is okay with me if it keeps the board from getting spammed. I swear that earlier today I could not include any external urls in a post. | ||
Terry Member Username: Terry Post Number: 44 Registered: 8-2006 |
I guess I must have mis-understod. Could you tell me what you are doing...step by step. Even send me the url and let me try to see if it's a board thing or not. Terry | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Terry I repeatedly got the exact same error message Marie reports; I mentioned it earlier regarding a paint swatch. Like, 8 or 9 times in a row...trying every form & html tagging I could remember. There was only one URL (re the error message saying 'too many') - I even checked to see if I had included some other coding inadvertantly...there was none....only the one URL. I finally gave up. TFYH, /Jay | ||
Rekha Intermediate Member Username: Rekha Post Number: 86 Registered: 8-2006 |
Sorry to sound an idiot but where will I find these options, Terry | ||
Terry Member Username: Terry Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2006 |
I deactivated: Activate links and e-mail addresses in messages and activated Limit number of links to external sites to 2 per post | ||
Marie Advanced Member Username: Marie Post Number: 113 Registered: 8-2006 |
Terry, we're getting an error that looks like this when we try to post external links: Post failed Your post has too many links to external sites Please contact Terry Henry if this problem persists. Actually, I just tried a single external link, and it worked. But I know that on other occasions I have gotten the error message. | ||
Terry Member Username: Terry Post Number: 42 Registered: 8-2006 |
There is no setting keeping external url's from being posted. I will try one. http://blog.lookingforthelongride.com/ | ||
Marie Advanced Member Username: Marie Post Number: 112 Registered: 8-2006 |
Terry, is there a way to allow registered users to post links to external sites? If not, that's okay; we'll just keep stripping the double slashes from our posts. | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
Yes--I tried to post suzy toronto's site and had with multiple tries to remove the http:// and then www before it would not cause a fatal error. | ||
Rekha Intermediate Member Username: Rekha Post Number: 85 Registered: 8-2006 |
I removed that deliberately, Terry, because I was getting fatal error | ||
Terry Member Username: Terry Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2006 |
You forgot the double // after the : | ||
Marie Advanced Member Username: Marie Post Number: 111 Registered: 8-2006 |
The video I have is called "Watercolor: Wade's Way." I believe it's only available in VHS, and I highly recommend it. His newer videos are available on DVD. | ||
Rekha Intermediate Member Username: Rekha Post Number: 84 Registered: 8-2006 |
Kisha: The damned server will not accept the URLs http:www dot art-video.com/prices.asp?artist=347 | ||
Kisha Unregistered guest |
Oh--I should have made myself more clear--I am looking for the DVD--Joe's doesn't carry it--but I know they exist. Can't seem to locate it with a search. Oh well--the video will be just fine. Thanks Marie. | ||
Marie Advanced Member Username: Marie Post Number: 105 Registered: 8-2006 |
I got my Wade video from Cheap Joes. | ||
Kisha Unregistered guest |
Thanks Rekha--I read through all that and still ask the same question--does anyone know a source for obtaining the Wade workshop video? | ||
Rekha Intermediate Member Username: Rekha Post Number: 79 Registered: 8-2006 |
Sorry it didn't give the listing http://community.cheapjoes.com/forum/messages/25/1966.html http://community.cheapjoes.com/forum/messages/25/1072.html http://community.cheapjoes.com/forum/messages/25/322.html http://community.cheapjoes.com/forum/messages/25/1449.html | ||
Rekha Intermediate Member Username: Rekha Post Number: 78 Registered: 8-2006 |
More discussion on this and other videos see http://community.cheapjoes.com/forum/cgi-bin/search.cgi | ||
Kisha Unregistered guest |
Is Robert Wade's video worth getting, overall? Where do I find it? | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
I just watched Robert wade's watercolor workshop--I borrowed the video from a friend. In it he has a sky demo that takes all of 90 seconds. He does it all with an oversized synthetic flat--he incompletely wets the paper by randomly brushing in some strokes--he envisions where the whites of the clouds are (basically on big cloud mass--not several). First he paints in the blue top surrounding sky(letting the cloud go out the top a bit) with cobalt blue. He then mixes cobalt and light red to get a gray and paints the undersides. He uses cerulean to paint sky near the horizon since the sky greens near the horizon. He makes sure he has lost and found edges in the areas where the cloud touches the sky by touching in some moisture with a brush in those areas. Easy and convincing. | ||
Kisha Unregistered guest |
If I could get away with it, I would paint nothing but skies. | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Marie - Ye-a-a-ah....I know....practice is the key - & that's just what I'm now doing, basically. I think that it's just largely that I'm not progressing as fast as I'd like to. But have always been a kinda impatient fella...so.... Perseverance, right? <G> "I think of watercolor like playing baseball -- I'm happy if I get a hit one out of three times." Heck - I'd be happy if I could just make the team!  /Jay | ||
Marie Intermediate Member Username: Marie Post Number: 79 Registered: 8-2006 |
Jay, keep practicing ....that's 90% of the battle. and keep in mind that I didn't show you the huge stack of failed paintings that didn't come out right. I think of watercolor like playing baseball -- I'm happy if I get a hit one out of three times. | ||
Eric Unregistered guest |
Marie, that's a nice sky. You've depicted the clouds receding in the distance nicely. | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Thanx guys for all the tips & suggestions. I love to try new things out in exploring the magic of this great medium - keep 'em coming! ~8) & & & Marie wrote: "...Does that help any?" ^ ^ ^ Sure does...helps make me wanta soak my brushes overnight in lighter fluid, tie 'em up in a nice bundle & toss a match on the pile! <G> Just kidding of course - Marie that's just beautiful. I really admire your work. And just so no one feels slighted, that includes just about all the 'samplings' I've seen here...and that's no joke. ~8) Mucho thanx! /Jay | ||
Marie Intermediate Member Username: Marie Post Number: 77 Registered: 8-2006 |
Here's an example from one of the pieces I did at the golf course a few weeks ago. I have already posted the picture once, but I'll post it again because there's really not much there except for the clouds.  I started with the clouds, wetting the entire top of the page and then coming in with cobalt blue, burnt sienna, raw sienna, and quinacridone rose while the paper was still wet. I let the colors just mingle on the page; I didn't try to control the exact shapes. I made the clouds smaller and lighter as I moved down the page. The important thing was not to fuss with it too much. I probably didn't spend more than 5 minutes or so on the clouds. Then, I worked on the water and the foreground for a while as the clouds were drying. Finally I went back and added the (cobalt) blue of the sky around the edges of the clouds, making sure to vary the hard and soft edges. I think the whole thing was finished in well under an hour. Does that help any? | ||
Eugene Intermediate Member Username: Eugene Post Number: 93 Registered: 8-2006 |
Marie is giving good advice. Cobalt is my favorite tru blu sky color too. And she's right on about the clouds too. I might add that the underside (the shadow side) is usually a light warm gray, not blue. Also a rule I usually follow is to consider how important the sky is in your composition. If it's small and unimportant, keep it simple. If it's a big part of the composition you might want to give it importance by adding clouds. I rather like granulation in skies, The early English watercolorist used it a lot. Look at some of Russel Flint's landscapes. | ||
Raliegh Member Username: Raliegh Post Number: 39 Registered: 8-2006 |
Jay, I found this demo on line janhart.com 'Painting a Dark Cumulous Cloud' volume 0. | ||
Marie Intermediate Member Username: Marie Post Number: 74 Registered: 8-2006 |
Jay, you have lots of options with pigments for skies. Cobalt blue is my mainstay for sunny, clear skies. Ultramarine with a little burnt sienna or raw sienna is good for stormy skies. Sometimes I add some ultramarine violet to the mix on overcast days. Cerulean, I think, needs to toned down a little with cadmium red or venetian red; this can work well for winter skies. I stay away from synthetic organics---thalo blue and such---for skies. Other things that help with skies ... 1) Skies usually become warmer as they approach the horizon. Add some raw sienna and/or quinacridone rose as you move down the page. 2) Practice painting wet-in-wet without overworking things. I like to take a 1/8 sheet of paper, wet it, drop in pigment, and then watch what happens. You should be able to do a dozen or so of these in an evening. 3) Clouds have a light side and a dark side, just like any three dimensional object. The only real difference is that the edges are soft. Usually, they're lighter on the top and darker on the bottom. | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
sorry for the multiple posts but I keep thinking of new answers for Jay. Try w/n Cadmium scarlet and Cerulean blue (the new blue shade of w/n--NOT the cerulean green shade of tradition--w/n now makes two shades --the blue is of a different pigment. Also M. Graham Cerulean works best for this). Wonderful sky grays. | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
Also Permanent Blue by Daler Rowney is true ultramarine. | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
Try using ultramarine green shade (w/n) or Holbein ultramarine light. Little granulation. I imagine you are actually not using ultramarine at all but French Ultramarine which is quite different because it granulates heavily. Ultramarine is more like a Cobalt deep. | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Good morning all! I have a couple of questions about 'Skies'. Tho I've been 'swirling colors' for a good while now, I readily admit to still being a learner, perhaps low-intermediate level, with much to learn. I like doing landscapes, but have a real problem with skies. Nearly everyone else's skies are just awesome to me, and I just can't seem to produce much that satisfies my own expectations. I bought the Ron Ranson tape (and have watched a couple of others) on Skies to get some help, and as a result have been using Ultramarine. This is good for 'stormy' looks, but otherwise it just doesn't produce the results I want - I think it's because I just don't like its 'granulation', (on skies at least). So, now having found this forum, the thought occurs to turn to you experts for some help. I'd like to ask what basic hue others use for their 'summery' blue skies, & even if it's Ultramarine perhaps suggestions for a different way to handle it. Part 2 - I'd also like to ask about what hue or mix you use to produce the (what I think of as) 'Steel Gray' skies you see usu. in Winter etc. -- perhaps 'Slate' or 'Leaden Gray' would be a more accurate term. Much appreciated, ~8) /Jay |
