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  Yoda Unregistered guest |
I use whatever it takes to get the job done  | ||
Obi'wan Unregistered guest |
Jay--I hope you are NOT getting seduced into having too many tubes in your palette--I left out the very important NOT --my bad. | ||
Obi'wan Unregistered guest |
Jay--I hope you are getting seduced into the dark side of having a different tube of paint for every color in nature instead of having a few select tubes and mixing. Beware the dark side. Disharmony awaits. Use the force. | ||
Marie Advanced Member Username: Marie Post Number: 122 Registered: 8-2006 |
The Golden Barok Red is indeed interesting. It's not an everyday pigment for me, but once in a while I'll pull it out. By the way, it's not an especially good mixer with blues or greens, and it is a little dull in masstone. But it absolutely glows in a tint. By the way, if you like nickel dioxine yellow (new gamboge) or nickel azo yellow, you'll probably like the Golden Barok Red. It's very similar chemically. | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Hey Marie! The 'Barok' arrived Friday....and that stuff is wild! My first impression was how much it looked like the cover on one of my old yearbooks - like deep red, antiqued leather. When you said "nothing like it", you said a mouthful. I think the other I found (Red Gold Lake) will work better for what I'm trying - 'Lake' meaning 'transparent' in Old Hollandeze - but the Barok will be interesting. I saw handprint's comment about it looking like 'congealing blood'....ugh!....I'll be trying to keep that out of mind while I'm playing around with it. *LOL* I've only done some sample drawdown swatches, so far. I also like the their Indian Yellow-Brown Lake Extra ... another interesting paint. T'anx again! ~8) /Jay | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
Great sky color to harmonize with trees or as a backround base in still lifes. In no way dark, either. Whoever wrote that is dark and blue or purple in tone has it confused pure and simply with payne's. I'd delete them from my list of sages. | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
Greenish In no way purplish | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Oh....and while discussing gray's anatomy *heh heh*..... In one place (several, actually) one sees: Davy's grey is a greeny grey color, made from powdered slate, iron oxide and carbon black. And in others: Slightly purplish or bluish dark grey -- iron blue, steel grey [Brit, Cdn], steel gray [US], Davy's gray [US] 'Greeny' vs purplish/bluish? Not a confusion normal perception would suffer, methinks. So, huh?  Plus, note ye oracle proclaims it good for "very light gray passages", vs the other: "...purplish or bluish dark grey" Double huh?? (I'm soooooo confused!....)  /Jay | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Turnin' to ye oracle at handprint: "Davy's gray was originally a slate pigment developed by Winsor & Newton for an 18th century English drawing master (known for his use of the paint); it is now replicated through compounds made with black chalk (carbonaceous hydrated aluminum silicate, PBk19). ...It is a very pretty pigment that is especially good for very light gray passages, as its coverage remains smooth at those values (many blacks will look blotchy or granulate at that dilution)." And from elsewhere, for those who might be associatively curious: Payne's grey is named after William Payne, who painted watercolors in the late 18th century. And I'd rather not see a poll of those who might find that my knowing that, is disturbing! Nor frustrating. <g> /Jay | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
Back when I first started painting in w/c I selected my paints based upon their cool names. I especially like the name Davy's Grey. Who was Davy, anyway? At that time i really liked using Davy's Grey for backgrounds, esp. overcast skies. I haven't used it in 20 years but does anyone of you out there in Cheap Joe's Forum Land use Davy's Grey? | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
Have you ever tried permanent rose (or any other PV19) and viridian? Beautiful gray. | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Odd.....I was just about to order some Peacock Blue - just came up with another couple of items to help even out the shipping cost. Always have loved that bird's fantastic colorings - being an old fly-tyer, I've worked with the feathers quite a bit, so naturally I was curious. In researching the color & a couple others, jeez is there ever a gamut of disparity in paint swatch reproductions strewn about the www! I was first turned off by how grainy it (the Peacock) appeared in the first sample I saw...but later back on again after handprint's comments. I've got Opera (who doesn't, after Joe's ravings following its introduction! *LOL*)....am now eager to see what the combo will produce. Thx, WWC! BTW - enjoying this thread. The mix 'is' the magic, isn't it? <G> /Jay | ||
Whitewatercolor Intermediate Member Username: Whitewatercolor Post Number: 53 Registered: 10-2006 |
One of the nicest grays I've ever seen, but don't use--because I don't like Peacock Blue--is Opera and Peacock Blue, both Holbein. Tom Lynch uses them both for the beautiful grays. The combination is enough to stop you in your tracks. | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
Using cerulean blue you can make loads of grays by adding about any orange or red . My favorite though is a modification of lucy willis'--she uses cerulean, winsor violet and yellow ochre--I use permanent magenta , raw sienna, and cerulean--lovely light gray. A great cloud gray can be had from cerulean and cad. scarlet. | ||
Marie Intermediate Member Username: Marie Post Number: 98 Registered: 8-2006 |
Burnt sienna and ultramarine blue. You can make a wide range of grays with it -- anything from warm to cool. | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Here's another thread that'll fit nicely into this topic.... I know most artists mix (or claim to <G> ) their grays. I'm having trouble making a light gray from my limited palette, for old faded/bleached wood like in an old split-rail fence. The same color is evident in pine bark (outer scales) this time of year. I've got a couple of subjects I'm trying, & have wasted enough paper already. Your recipes?? TIA, /Jay | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Bill wrote: "....Jay was wondering what pigments he might use. I'm sure he has his own way to approach the execution of the painting." ^ ^ ^ Sure do! 1- Wet paper. 2- Sling paint!  /Jay | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Kisha wrote: I am not sure what the Iridium flare is. Is it the first rays of sunlight? ^^^^^ No....there's a system of 60-some comm satellites 'up there', which have large solar panels & antennae. Occasionally they catch the Sun's rays & send a reflection to predictable spots on Earth. They can be so bright as to be seen naked eye in broad daylight, reaching magnitudes of -8 (minus 8), if you know about that kinda thing. Usu. seen in pre-dawn or evening hours (ie, Sun at suitable angle), they resemble a sort've 'slow flashbulb' going off....& are pretty neat to see. Tried to post a link to Wikipedia, but the board won't let me (member privilege??) You can go there & search, if you'd like more details. Includes link (Heavens Above) where you can program your geolocation & get schedules for same. HTH! /Jay <aka StarHopper> | ||
Kisha Unregistered guest |
I am not sure what the Iridium flare is. Is it the first rays of sunlight? | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
I think you have me confused with someone else. To my recollection (which sometimes is inaccurate, I admit) I never commented on whether or not I wished to post paintings. Jay was wondering what pigments he might use. I'm sure he has his own way to approach the execution of the painting. | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Marie wrote: "...unusual pigment that I like for sunsets is Old Holland Golden Barok Red. ...but the color is more like venetian red. " ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Really! From their color swatches, it looks too 'Venetian' to me. Never checked Old Holland very much (seems expensive), but their Red Gold Lake caught my eye - sure looks like it has some interesting possibilities re what I'm looking for. Sunsets look markedly different to me than sunrises. I suppose it's because of my eyes being dark-adapted, having been out all night, hence more sensitive to color stimulation. (You really ought to get out there & enjoy the show, you creature of comfort, you! *LOL*) But I'm also getting a tube of the 'Barok' & will give it a try. Hmmm...kinda glad CJ's doesn't carry Old Holland -- I just noticed Pearl's got a 3-day only 20% T-Giving Sale coupon available. I'm awaiting a callback, raa-a-at now! <G> Thanx, Marie! Bill - I've got some W&N Cad Scarlet in my 'old stock' - I'll give that a try too, & thx for your suggestion. /Jay | ||
Eugene Intermediate Member Username: Eugene Post Number: 99 Registered: 8-2006 |
We've been through all this before, Bill. And I know that you don't want to post your work-- But your description would be so much more useful, if you would post the result in picture form. | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
Actually I have a painting of sunrise as Jay described and i went back and look at it and i in fact used a preliminary wash of faint cad. yellow followed by a dilute wet in wet wash of venetian red. High up in the sky the colors were darker blues and violets. | ||
Marie Intermediate Member Username: Marie Post Number: 95 Registered: 8-2006 |
I'm never awake at dawn, so I really can't say. An unusual pigment that I like for sunsets is Old Holland Golden Barok Red. The pigment is listed as "methin nickel complex." I gather from handprint that it is in the same family as new gamboge or nickel azo yellow, but the color is more like venetian red. It's very transparent, and it glows in tints. It's not an everyday pigment for me, but once in a while it's just what I need --- and there's nothing else quite like it. | ||
Bill Unregistered guest |
I have always thought that accurate capturing of the reds of sunrise and sunset made a paiting a little gaudy even though the sky itself is beautiful. However, IMHO I would definately use Cad. Scarlet (W/N) --it would work exceedingly well here. (blended into a slight underwash of raw sienna or indian yellow). | ||
Jay Unregistered guest |
Being an astronomer, I'm intensely interested in the sky, & keep a lot of night hours. I'm up right now to view an Iridium flare that's supposed to happen in a few minutes. (My neighbors think I'm a vampire.)  I'm wondering....what color(s) do you, or would you use to capture that astonishingly beautiful golden-reddish band just at & above the horizon that occurs at dawn in an absolutely clear sky? TIA, /Jay |
